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Poll Question: To make it a little easier, is he, should he be, Brawl or Devs?
Poll Choice	Votes	Poll Statistics
Brawl	19	[82.61%]
Devs	3	[13.04%]
Bay killer of my youth.	0	[0.00%]
Twin brother of Brawl	0	[0.00%]
Twin little brother of Devs	1	[4.35%]
Don’t care (non TF fan) ;-)	0	[0.00%]
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Blaster
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Posted: 31 October 2007 at 10:37am \| IP Logged

Is he Devs or is he Brawl? It is indeed a winding road and it seems not to lead to Amirillo. So vote and lets us see.

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Posted: 31 October 2007 at 10:42am \| IP Logged

where is the option for "that tank wot got shot" as my wife refers to him.

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Posted: 31 October 2007 at 10:43am \| IP Logged

bless her little cotton socks

send my excuses will ya

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Posted: 31 October 2007 at 1:43pm \| IP Logged

Wheres the option for devastator is just a funky nickname, he uses the name brawl on official documents.

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Posted: 31 October 2007 at 1:45pm \| IP Logged

Hey sausage off, plan your own perfect polls

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Posted: 31 October 2007 at 3:00pm \| IP Logged

really name as Brawl because toys or etc would be that Devastators would be name for gesalts as well.. I wish that Bay would change name..

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Posted: 31 October 2007 at 4:31pm \| IP Logged

I was a tad confused by this as well, seeing as how it was Brawl in the game and not the film, and Devastator in the film but not the game. Mind you, I was also puzzled as to why Ratchet appeared in the game's cut-scenes, but not in the game itself.

Ah well.

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Posted: 01 November 2007 at 9:15am \| IP Logged

Im suprised noone has kicked up a fuss about shockwave being such a rubbish boss in the game.

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Posted: 01 November 2007 at 10:39am \| IP Logged

Well fact is, he is Brawl. Because of one type-o I will not refer to him as Devastator. Had he been named so on the Box fine. I am not scared of change one bit. But The Box says Brawl MOST of the TF forum says it, so say we all.

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Posted: 01 November 2007 at 10:50am \| IP Logged

well in the US dvd he is still called devastator

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Posted: 01 November 2007 at 10:55am \| IP Logged

Honestly, if we really wanted to get anal about this, we should be saying his name is Decepticon Brawl rather than just Brawl.

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Posted: 01 November 2007 at 11:06am \| IP Logged

No no, if we really wanted to be anal; We would call him Devastator, because that was his name in the movie. Toys arent always canon, in my opinion

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Posted: 01 November 2007 at 11:16am \| IP Logged

Garren wrote:

No no, if we really wanted to be anal; We would call him Devastator, because that was his name in the movie. Toys arent always canon, in my opinion

Yes they are.

Transformers is a franchise built around toys, therefore what the toys say are first and foremost.
That'd be like saying that Spiderman's webshooters being organic is right, and the comic, which came first, is wrong.

I love many of Marvel comic's version of Transformers more than the toy bios, but I've never been such a fanboy to consider the comics more official or right than the toys.

Edited by joshlowe on 01 November 2007 at 11:19am

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Posted: 01 November 2007 at 11:17am \| IP Logged

Anal about it

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Posted: 01 November 2007 at 12:27pm \| IP Logged

joshlowe wrote:

Garren wrote:

No no, if we really wanted to be anal; We would call him Devastator, because that was his name in the movie. Toys arent always canon, in my opinion

Yes they are.

Transformers is a franchise built around toys, therefore what the toys say are first and foremost.
That'd be like saying that Spiderman's webshooters being organic is right, and the comic, which came first, is wrong.

I love many of Marvel comic's version of Transformers more than the toy bios, but I've never been such a fanboy to consider the comics more official or right than the toys.

I agree with you to a point.

Night Attack optimus prime is NOT canon!

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Posted: 01 November 2007 at 2:12pm \| IP Logged

joshlowe wrote:

Garren wrote:

No no, if we really wanted to be anal; We would call him Devastator, because that was his name in the movie. Toys arent always canon, in my opinion

So if one of the toy boxes said "Optical Primus" and "NegaGron" were the names instead of Optimus and Megatron, you would go by the toys instead of the movie?

The analogy is a little off. But I don't know where you're coming from with it. I'm not a toy-guy. But in Spider-mans comic universe, his webbing is whatever the comics are. In the cartoons, his webbing is whatever the cartoons is. The comic, for example, doesn't overwrite the canon of the cartoon.

Which is what I'm trying to get at. The cartoons canon wouldnt overwrite the movie. In the movies, Spider-man's webbing is organic. You can't refute that. It's not "wrong". It is "right".

But this isnt the case for TF the movie. We clearly have a toy and a movie. Despite TF being based on the toys, I say the movie preceeds the Toys. For the Movie universe, the movie is correct and the toys are not.

Just because there's a toy of red starscream doesn't mean that starscreams color in the movie was an error. Which is what you're suggesting, off-hand, by saying "if the toy says so, the toy is right."

Now, if a character in the movie had called Devastator by the name of "Brawl", then there would be a legitimate point. But Devastator was his one and only name. Thus, it's his name. The movie isn't incorrect.

Edited by Garren on 01 November 2007 at 2:14pm

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Posted: 01 November 2007 at 3:36pm \| IP Logged

He was meant to be called Brawl in the movie. The people making the movie aknowledged this mistake. The US DVD is wrong. Plain and simple.

Therefore his name is Brawl.

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Posted: 01 November 2007 at 3:42pm \| IP Logged

agreed.

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Garren wrote:

But in Spider-mans comic universe, his webbing is whatever the comics are. In the cartoons, his webbing is whatever the cartoons is. The comic, for example, doesn't overwrite the canon of the cartoon.

Okay, I don't agree per se, but I didn't use the best example. I did use an example that wasn't a fair comparison.

Lets stick with Transformers

It is a toyline first. It is Hasbro's property. When they took a red microman cassette and called it Rumble, that was it's official name.
It didn't matter how much Sunbow called him Frenzy, they were not it's creators.

Bay could call the tank Destructor the 2nd if he wanted, but it belongs to Hasbro and they said it's called Brawl.

Frenzy is blue, the Autobot jet is called Jetfire, the tank is Brawl.
That is according to those who owned the rights before Sunbow/Bay made their commercials and will continue to own them after.

Garren wrote:

So if one of the toy boxes said "Optical Primus" and "NegaGron" were the names instead of Optimus and Megatron, you would go by the toys instead of the movie?

Yes, they're Hasbro's property. If they call them something, that is their name.
I can call them names I prefer, like Alt Meister Jazz as that's who he is, but officially, his name is Meister, nothing else.

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