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Posted: 08 August 2008 at 3:41pm | IP Logged Quote Dreadwing

 This made it into the national paper lol .  Thought it could fit news. Can be bumped if you wish

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080807. wmegatron0807/BNStory/National/home

Leader of the Decepticons, yes; replica firearm, no


FROM FRIDAY'S GLOBE AND MAIL

August 7, 2008 at 9:07 PM EDT

OTTAWA — For months, Canadian trade regulators have pondered a feature of a famous Transformers toy that has amused fans for years: Is the dastardly Megatron a robot or is he the replica pistol that he can be rearranged to resemble?

Ottawa bans the import of objects “designed to look exactly or almost exactly like a real firearm” in part because it fears they could be used to commit crimes.

The Canadian International Trade Tribunal, which usually deals with mundane subjects such as steel imports, found itself puzzling over whether Megatron, the anti-hero of the Transformers toy franchise, should be turned away at the border for looking too much like a fake weapon.

After consulting an RCMP forensics expert, the federal tribunal officially published its verdict online this week, decreeing that Megatron, leader of the Decepticons, is definitely not a replica firearm.

The ruling by the quasi-judicial tribunal means the classic versions of Megatron – a robot that turns into a facsimile of a Walther model P-38 pistol – can once again be imported.

Megatron, as children of the 1980s will know, is the arch-villain of the Transformers universe where robots can change into vehicles, devices and animals. He began life as a robot that turns into a pistol, but manufacturers also produced a version that transformed into something less worrisome for customs officials, such as a tiny tank.

The classic Megatron's case received a boost from the unlikeliest of sources when a Royal Canadian Mounted Police forensics lab measured him in pistol form and determined that he was too big to closely mimic a Walther pistol.

“It does not exactly resemble a firearm as it is approximately 30 per larger in size than an actual Walther, model P-38,” a Mountie forensics specialist wrote in a report for the CITT deliberations.

Canadian customs officials triggered these hearings last November when they confiscated a collector's edition of the Megatron robot, saying the silver and black figure too closely resembled a replica firearm when rearranged.

Canada Border Services Agency, which reports to Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day, refused to reverse the decision, and so Jonathan Bell, the B.C. man who had been trying to import a copy of Megatron, appealed to the trade tribunal.

“The item is shipped as a Transformer robot and remains in the robot form until someone changes it to another form, in this case a Walther P-38 pistol,” Mr. Bell wrote in his appeal.

He wrote that when laws and regulations on replica firearms are taken at face value without considering intent, “we would have to consider prohibiting wood, plastic or metal [from entering] our country, since all of those items can be transformed into something else.”

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  1. Peter Konieczny from Ajax, Canada writes: All Hail Megatron! Can you imagine what the police officer thought when he was told he had to do a report on the Transformer's toy. Did the Tribunal members have to read Megatron's bio, or watch episodes of the original series before they came to their conclusion? At least this wasn't a fight over Shockwave's toy.
  2. Adam Allouba from Montreal, Canada writes: I bet Optimus Prime is kicking himself for never having thought of just calling the Canadian border guards instead of going all the trouble the Autobots went through. Thank God we've got them to keep us safe.
  3. Craig Cooper from Toronto, writes: All kinds of real guns on the street and tax dollars go to fretting about toys!
  4. B A from Canada writes: Decepticons! Transform and Confound!

    Meanwhile I'm sure they'll have the forensic report on that suspicious tapedeck they found any day now. Canada. Making decisions at the speed of yer average glacier. Sigh.
  5. James McCourt from Canada writes: Excellent! My plot to import drugs stuffed inside Megatron robots can now proceed, unhindered by those meddling customs agents.
  6. John Deriso from Edmonton, Canada writes: Apparently, the RCMP's official report was an audio tape of 45 minutes of sustained laughter.
  7. David R from Canada writes: Liberal party tax dollars at work. Only the Liberal party think something like this. can't wait for Dion and his Green..... oh no I mean tax shift plan. get ready for more ways to be s***ed by the Liberal party.
  8. Ryan Lemay from Canada writes: I agree, don't let Megatron into Canada. Sorry Decepticons, this peace loving nation does not want you! We all saw through the 1980's how you terrorized New York and the United States in general, you are not welcome in our country. So take that Megatron!!!
  9. Michael Sharp from Victoria, Canada writes:

    Is that a gun in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?

    "Just glad to see you, Officer."
  10. Tracey Anthony from Halifax, Canada writes: As amusing as this was it is also rather disturbing. We need border protection but I'm sorry, the inmates really have taken over the asylum. I understand the pressure they're under, my father in law is a retired LEO, but I have always had the worst issues with Canadian Border guards. If someone didn't "get some" in the last few days or they're having "personal" issues they take it out on everyone. I've joked and laughed with American TSA and Customs agents but try to get a Candadian to crack a smile and they look at you like you're trying to invade. I'm not saying they have to be everyone's best buddy but please try to leave your personal issues at home and be a professional. Oh yes...try to engage your brains and use a little common sense. A Megatron toy as a replica firearm?? Get serious, stop looking at the objects and start looking at the people. They'll tell you if they're up to something they shouldn't be; they always do!
  11. Life Is Good from Canada writes: I live in a border town where the C.B.S. goones live. The drive home drunk from the bar all the time. Walk around here like they own everything. Nothing more then wanna be cops that were too stupid to pass the entry exam. Now its obvious they are nothing more then control freaks. And you should see some of thier offspring. Most should be instututionalised. More then half are on ritilin. And now they want guns. What's next?
  12. Vincent Clement from Windsor, Ontario, Canada writes: David R: What exactly does this have to do with the Liberal Party and Dion?
  13. V Patterson from F'ton, Canada writes: Without our enthused border control peeps, what group could I used for an example when I am trying the summarize anothers bad behavior without having to say autocratic, officious, megalomaniacal despot with a distinct possibility of a Napoleon complex. It is alwasy been so much easier to say someone is behaving just like a CBS :)

  14. Michael Manning from Mississauga, Canada writes: Let's suppose for a moment that the toy was an exact, non-firing replica of an actual pistol. For what possible reason would it be turned back?

    "Whey you could hold up a bank with one!", cries the peanut gallery. Hmm, yes, one could. However in an ensuing gunfight with the police one might find oneself somewhat at a disadvantage.

    I'm all for licensing and registering firearms. We register cars, planes, boats, dogs, cats and people. However, in my opinion, restricting imitations is a level of official paranoia that should be curtailed.







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Posted: 08 August 2008 at 3:59pm | IP Logged Quote Sirlagerlot

"anti-hero" first time i've ever heard his described as that...

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It amuses me that it got to the top level of Canada's trade organisations. But it's nice to see a nation taking a better stance on the issue. After AA I was wondering, how did Jon get Encore Megatron into the country? He's packaged in gun mode, clearly visable in the window and doesn't have an orange thing in the barrel.

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Posted: 08 August 2008 at 7:00pm | IP Logged Quote Soundwave9504

umm interesting about Megatron's gun.. and interesting about canada's law..

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Posted: 08 August 2008 at 7:28pm | IP Logged Quote Dreadwing

Protoform X wrote:
It amuses me that it got to the top level of Canada's trade organisations. But it's nice to see a nation taking a better stance on the issue. After AA I was wondering, how did Jon get Encore Megatron into the country? He's packaged in gun mode, clearly visable in the window and doesn't have an orange thing in the barrel.


Probably Import Russian Roulette... cannot catch them all

 Edit btw thanks for popping in the pic


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Posted: 09 August 2008 at 1:04am | IP Logged Quote MegaOptimus

Now this yet again prooves that we have such a sad society today, for god's sake I wish that they would worry less about making Megatron "legal or illegal" and concentrate on getting the terrorists. Come on, he is a cartoon character! Don't Canadian authorities have anything better to do. Get Real mates!

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Posted: 09 August 2008 at 5:00am | IP Logged Quote Blaster


it resembles a gun yes, and there should be some kind of limit, but it's still and offensive toy. Fact is people are told at the Bank if you get a Gun pointed at you then just give them the money, and this gun really looks good, unless you happen to be a TF Fan whilst working at the Bank, then it's a good thing to have. On the other hand...Sure some laws are silly obscure but their made for a reason at times. Although the Gun replica issue is well silly at times.


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Posted: 09 August 2008 at 10:42am | IP Logged Quote silverbolt

this really has got some notoriety. In all fairness by now those major fans who are gonna gety MP megs have him already no matter thier location in the world

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Posted: 10 August 2008 at 4:17pm | IP Logged Quote Dreadwing

MegaOptimus wrote:
Now this yet again prooves that we have such a sad society today, for god's sake I wish that they would worry less about making Megatron "legal or illegal" and concentrate on getting the terrorists. Come on, he is a cartoon character! Don't Canadian authorities have anything better to do. Get Real mates!


 Thing is dollar stores and Wal Mart have toy guns hanging out of their yin yang, some metal and look a likes.  No one stops the imports of these


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Posted: 15 August 2008 at 11:59am | IP Logged Quote Wheeljacktoo

Yeah, I read about this in the Province.  The newspaper's so lousy it didn't even get the right Megatron in the photo.  It was Movie Megatron.

Man, I hate the Province.  As far as province wide newspapers go.  One's other choice is The Vancouver Sun.  Much better, more difficult to read.  Physically, that is.


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Well, I think that's good there's no ban. I'm not sure if America still has the ban and I have no idea if there's that ban for New Zealand because I'll try and import one untouched soon (and if they touch it, I'll murder them - not literally).

I reckon though, that the scope looks a bit too big and if you don't have the scope on, there's a very easy-to-see place for it, much too unlike a real gun in my opinion. Then again, I don't know much about guns. Honestly though, what kind of dork would try and rob a bank with a toy gun? The police would track you down anyway and how embarrassing would it to go to court with a toy gun that you robbed a bank with (you'd be fined and embarrass the bank teller too) although being a TF fan, I wouldn't be that embarrassed to think that the bank teller is that dumb. There's no obvious place to load bullet or magazines anyway. The MP one shoots little pellets but they just go into this hole on it - nothing like a real gun.

What I find ironic is they don't let this toy gun into America even coming as a robot (and how'd you make it into a real gun? You'd need access to all sorts of crazy parts and you'd just end up somehow keeping the gun shell of the figure), yet they allow people to have their own real guns over-the-counter in minutes. I even heard they are now giving teachers and lecturers guns in case a student goes mental and tries to shoot them. That's stupid. If they get pissed off at a student... *bang* so honestly, a Megatron figure is the least they have to worry about. Like someone said, worry more about the terrorists.

I think Mr. Bell was right. It comes as a robot and can be turned into a gun. Wood and steel etc. should be banned too because importing it means you can then turn it into something else. Hang, if you had the right materials, you could make a working gun with those things! More dangerous than a toy.

Like someone else said they're paranoid. It's just stupid. I'm glad they have made an official announcement on the matter (and one that makes sense).

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Posted: 16 September 2008 at 9:05pm | IP Logged Quote signofzeta

This is good news.  Now I am able to get every single megatron with no problems.

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All this furore over a toy. They should spend more time going to task on the arms industry who export materials intended for construction into weapons, tanks and jets as "farm machinery".

The world is a truly sad place sometimes.

On a side note, my girlfriend was quite shocked when I was playing with my TFC Megs a few weeks back and saw me turn it into a gun. She works with kids in schools and communtiy groups and  we had a discussion about this. There's such a lot of restrictions on not only how children are educated (certainly in the UK) and on how they play (cheers over zealous Health & Safety) that kids are pretty much banned from playing anything percieved as violent (yes, even play acting stuff like Star Wars for christ sakes!). Having a toy that turns into a gun would cause wide spread panic and condemnation these days.



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Posted: 17 September 2008 at 2:26pm | IP Logged Quote signofzeta

Everything in the world is a weapon.  You can take your computer monitor and throw it at someone.  You can take anything, sharpen it, and it becomes a brutal melee weapon.  Just because it looks like a gun, does not make it a gun.  Just because it does not look like a weapon, that it will not become a weapon.

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Posted: 17 September 2008 at 2:48pm | IP Logged Quote Skyquake87

True... as Arnie once uttered "It is in your nature to destroy yourselves."

However, I think there's more likely to be people balking at the destructive potential of a gun than say, a spatula.



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Posted: 22 September 2008 at 6:49am | IP Logged Quote Wheeljacktoo

In Canada, we are such a decentralized country and filled with so many bureaucracies that each subsection works with a different aspect of imports/exports.

The biggest problem, imo, is consistency and politics.  People don't mind or don't know about arms trading, etc. or what governs that.  People are parents and toys that look like guns were once a politics thing because people didn't want kids to emulate violence.  Plus, in the States and Canada (I think) some kids got shot for holding 'gun-lookalike object(s)"

So that's why there is a focus on gun toys and not actual guns.  Plus, it's easier to cover as a media person.  Real guns, hmm, people have strong opinions and we cannot be perceived as having strong opinions.  Toy guns?  Ah, ha!  Easy to cover.  Controversial but no heavy duty controversial.  And everyone hates when some government agency overreacts to something like a toy gun.  One that transforms, lol!  This will be easy to write about, report about, etc.

note:  It's very difficult in Canada to get a gun.  It is not like the US, where all you need is an ID and 'clean' record.  Seriously, Wal-Mart sells guns in the US.  effed up.


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wow i didn't know guns were so difficult to find.

at least you got all the free weed you want. it's illegal in USA. 


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ROYAL HEATHEN wrote:
wow i didn't know guns were so difficult to find.

at least you got all the free weed you want. it's illegal in USA. 


Weed isn't free, here.  Police just don't care about it as much as there are more important crimes going on than people smoking weed.  And medicinal marijuana is legal.  So long as you have a prescription but the funny thing is, you still have to get the weed from an illegal source.  'Cause the government doesn't sell.




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ROYAL HEATHEN wrote:
at least you got all the free weed you want. it's illegal in USA. 

What is it with you and all this talk of drugs?  Are you a junkie or something?


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Posted: 22 September 2008 at 10:21am | IP Logged Quote Wheeljacktoo

Nemesis Scourge wrote:
ROYAL HEATHEN wrote:
at least you got all the free weed you want. it's illegal in USA. 

What is it with you and all this talk of drugs?  Are you a junkie or something?


He's just been talking about weed.  Pothead is the correct term.

Junkie's for heroin users.

Though, if it hasn't already been said, limit the drug talk.


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