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Resistance: Fall of Man currently uses over 20Gb of space. This includes HD resolution images and cut scenes as well as 6.1 audio and PAL formattings (so there is no black mark around the edge). Hideo Kojima has said that MGS4: GOTP would not fit on a DVD9 disk.
I'm imaging that Halo 3 will need more than 1 DVDs.
BTW Spiderman 3 The Game apparently cost $35 million to make!
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Today MS annouced Japan launch detail of its HD DVD drive, which will ship in November.
I am sure MS will refresh the whole console at some point with an integral HD DVD drive.
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Big Bot wrote:
Resistance: Fall of Man currently uses over 20Gb of space. This includes HD resolution images and cut scenes as well as 6.1 audio and PAL formattings (so there is no black mark around the edge). Hideo Kojima has said that MGS4: GOTP would not fit on a DVD9 disk.
I'm imaging that Halo 3 will need more than 1 DVDs.
BTW Spiderman 3 The Game apparently cost $35 million to make!
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I'm not saying some won't or don't, but I don't think it'll be standard in the new console's lifespans.
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What I don't understand is how, say, GTA IV will work, when GTA San Andreas just about fitted on one disk?
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| What I don't understand is how, say, GTA IV will work, when GTA San Andreas just about fitted on one disk? |
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smaller city? No HD graphics, better compression?
Have they confirmed it as one disc?? where? I can see it being one blue ray, but not DVD.
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On a this gen note
I just finished Xenosaga III- it was pretty good, wrapped up the story ish.
Still, it was no Xenogears.
I get a RPG break until October 31- FFXII!
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| What I don't understand is how, say, GTA IV will work, when GTA San Andreas just about fitted on one disk?
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It may be on more than one disc.
Alternatively, it may be that they've developed things to the point that they're doing more with the same amount of space.
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I must say the price has almost completely put me off the Wii. They
marketted as an easy, fun, cheap. I don't know why the fans are happy
with this.
They also put an emphasis on the "Wii" yet to fully embrace the
"togetherness" of gaming - but fully benfiting from this will put you
back $180, much more over here.
I was expecting $200 with Wii Sports and a second Wiimote, and hoping
that Europe wouldn't get ripped off. I'll be paying well over $100 more
than the americans will be. You can't tell me that's taxes.
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I think most people are happy with it because its cheap, specially compared to the ps3 and 360.
I dont see how were getting ripped off, its normal for UK to charge what they do, if you want it cheaper then import it.
Oh and got that throw me down yet?
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Nintendo aren't all as good as we think they are- they've already been fined several millions of pounds due to them trying to artificially keep prices high in Germany and UK.
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Skeggy wrote:
I think most people are happy with it because its cheap, specially compared to the ps3 and 360.
I dont see how were getting ripped off, its normal for UK to charge what they do, if you want it cheaper then import it.
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It's hardly cheaper than the 360. For what you're getting, the 360 is
better value. It's only 50 less than the core unit, and 150 less than
the premium which is a much more powerful console.
How is it not getting ripped off because it's "normal" for the UK to do
so? It's only like that because people have made excuses for it being
that way. Like Matrix said Nintendo have gotten into trouble over this
before. The fans really needed to take a stand on this.
The games aren't cheap either - they'll be 60 euros over here which is
just as steep as it was last generation. I realise 360 games cost more
but it's hardly impressing me with it's cheapness.
Anyone, a Wii is out of the question for me now - I can't afford one.
It will be 265 euros here and 60 a game. I tend to buy all my games
second hand and have had to drop out of buying DS games since the start
of the summer. They really missed out on the college student
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Gaming has never been a cheap hobby. Remember back in the Snes days, £60 for Street Fighter 2 Turbo?? Heck even Maniac Mansion on the Nes was £55.
The N64 launched at £250 if I remember correctly, admittedly it was the powerhouse of its time, but 2 gens on if I'm saving £80 on the launch price of a console I'm bound to be happy. As for the games, Internet prices will be lower than the highstreet anyway, usually by a tenner or so.
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the ps1 was about 200 quid when it first came out, the ps2 was about 250, the PSP was 200, it seems to be the mean for Sony prices. the PS3 is breaking that but it's due to "new" technology i guess.
apple are doing the same thing with the iPod, they slightly change something on it or bring out a "new" model and people wet themselves over it, even though there are better things on the market. the iPod video is not the only video player on the market and there are many that are better.
but at the end of the day, it's all about who sells there product the best and who slaps the wad down when it comes to adverts, for which the sheep will find catchy and follow.
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Erm, the Ipod video is a bundle of loveliness. I know there are other machines out there but it is a joy of science. I've had mine since Feb and use it everyday, I can't even say the same of my DS.
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That machine was hugely overpriced, even then.
It's not that the Wii is vastly overpriced imo.
It was that they admitted it was lacking in several ways compared to the other two, but stated that the price reflected that.
Like I said, it's not a bad price, but when the much more powerful 360, which also has DVD sells for just £20 more, it doesn't quite seem as much value for money by comparison.
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Exactly, Joshlowe.
Though I'd take a much more aggressive approach -
http://media.wii.ign.com/media/846/846381/img_3931990.html
Sorry, but that is complete that. This isn't really much better than
The Gamecube was. I've seen the GC do better in fact All it is, is a
tweaked up Gamecube that they can produce for even less thanks to
making the chips more efficent.
The Wii is a $250($360 in Europe) machine performing at the power of a
$100 machine at best. That's daylight robbery that puts even Hasbro to
shame.
IT'S CHEAP! Isn't an argument when it really isn't. For what it does, it's *viciously* overpriced.
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What the bloody hell are you nutters on about?
How does the price relate to graphical performance?
While graphically the Wii is only a bit above Xbox its an innovative product, due tot he control system, downloadable old Nintendo game.
Also the games are cheaper so the Tootal Cost of Ownership will be less.
And who gives a sh*t if the 360 can play DVD's everyone owns a standalone DVD player.
If you want to pay less for a Wii import one
Performing at the level of a $100 machine, get a grip.
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Rodimus Prime wrote:
What the bloody hell are you nutters on about?
How does the price relate to graphical performance?
While graphically the Wii is only a bit above Xbox its an innovative product, due tot he control system, downloadable old Nintendo game.
Also the games are cheaper so the Tootal Cost of Ownership will be less.
And who gives a sh*t if the 360 can play DVD's everyone owns a standalone DVD player.
If you want to pay less for a Wii import one
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Here, here!
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Rodimus Prime wrote:
What the bloody hell are you nutters on about?
How does the price relate to graphical performance?
While graphically the Wii is only a bit above Xbox its an innovative
product, due tot he control system, downloadable old Nintendo game.
Also the games are cheaper so the Tootal Cost of Ownership will be less.
And who gives a sh*t if the 360 can play DVD's everyone owns a standalone DVD player.
If you want to pay less for a Wii import one
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How the hell does graphical performance have nothing to do with the
price? Graphical performance is due to the power of the hardware and
how efficently it's designed. If the Wii isn't deliverring graphically,
then it probably has poor hardware. It isn't deliverring graphically.
It almost definitely does have poor hardware. You can't charge players
for " a wonderful new gameplay experience!". You charge them for the
hardware and what it does. Even if you take away the $60 and have a
controller-less console it's STILL overpriced - Wii sports is a bunch
of tech demos so probably cost almost nothing to make anyway. The fact
is that Nintendo
are charging more than what the console costs to make, or at least
SHOULD cost to make considerring how efficently the Gamecube was made.
The parts simply don't add up. Downloadable Nintendo games are
laughable as working for the price - that's MORE cost tacted on. Also,
while the Wii games are cheaper most of them are also very
straightforward and arcadey compared to games like Oblivion or Metal
Gear Solid 4, the likes of which you won't get on Wii. Not to mention
that they're still as expensive as last generation - which was still
overpriced.
They're charging more than it should cost to make when other manufactureres are charging less.
This is fact.
It's essentially a 5 year old console with new graphical effects and a new controller.
If I import a Wii I have to get it chipped. With shipping, taxes, chipping and markup, there will be no point.
I absolutely despise people who tell someone with a valid complaint to
"get a grip". It really detracts from a real issue. Nintendo wouldn't
get away with overcharging if there weren't fanboys defending
them in their droves. There is a SERIOUS pricing issue here especially
if you live in the UK or Europe. Burying your heads in the sand while
your arse declares how wonderful it is won't help anything.
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Rodimus Prime wrote:
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That doesn't automatically justify the price.
Each and every console develops and improves it's control system.
You may say the Wii's is better and more innovative, and I'd share that opinion, but that doesn't mean the other console's control systems were any cheaper to develop or offer less of a gaming experience.
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Yes, you can download old games.
But this isn't new. You could download games on the original X-Box, you can download games on the 360 and Sony are talking about the same thing with the PS3.
On top of that it will be profitable for Nintendo when people buy the games.
It's not a one off thing with a cost they need to cover with the initial console charge.
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Will it?
The console is about the price of a bare bones 360, the online games cost about the same as the 360, they're going to charge for online service like the 360, and the memory included is low, so you will wind up needing to buy more space, like the 360.
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The machine is not multi region.
This is not only for store sold games, but online games will be region coded too.
This means a US Wii in the UK would effectively be worthless for online play.
Nintendo know it's highly priced in comparison to other territiories and have done their best to ensure we can't.
I agree that graphics and DVD aren't essential for a console.
But if they don't have those options, I don't expect the price to be the same as one that does.
After all, the DS is a great console with an innovative system, but you don't see them selling it at the same price as a PSP do you?
I think £100 is a harsh price, and £180 might have been a fair price had Microsoft not priced the 360 so agressively.
But they did.
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