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Hi All, I'm new in town so i will ask you to be gentle!
Just thought i would try my hand at atarting a thread and my question is this...
We have all been waiting for years for a series that rivals G1 Transformers. So what made it such a sucess? what did G1 have that all the other series somehow missed?
So if you could produce the next tv series what formula would you use?
Personally i think it needs to mature abit get away from being so young and grow up a bit! Plus i would bring back some hard core Decepticons not these bumbling circus folk we see today with a few averagely cool bad guys.
Oh and bring back the Mega which is tron who doesnt turn into naffin plane!
anyway i lookforward to hearing so of your ideas!
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I think G1 G2 were the building blocks and laid the foundation of the Transformers for many. Fact that the Comics were the start of the era is unclear and unknown to most. Megatron turning into a "naffin plane" is only logical as that was his true Cybetronian form, not a hand held gun. (which leader would let himself be held, by a second in command who only wanted his very own demise?) As for a mature attitude, too true, there is a childish element, which ruins it for me personally at times, but kids and the parents of kids pay and pave that way. Cartoon and reality are well defined and so it should be. I can not imagine most of the Cartoon TF's being a part of the LAM and that is good so, then it would be childish. The new animated TF is cool, funny and done cleverly but is childish and trying at times.. but theres something for everyone, people who want to pick, will ALWAYS find something. Winning formula fan based but not biased and true to the cause for both sides, that being the Decepticon and Autobots. And not the American air force or Army being the downfall of an advance race like the Decepticons.After all the planet and it's occupants were and are of no interest for the Decepticons.
Welcome to the Forum by the way, enjoy your stay!
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laserwave wrote:
| We have all been waiting for years fo a series that rivals G1 Transformers. So what made it such a sucess? what did G1 have that all the other series somehow missed?
So if you could produce the next tv series what formula would you use?
Personally i think it needs to mature abit get away from being so young and grow up a bit! Plus i would bring back some hard core Decepticons not these bumbling circus folk we see today with a few averagely cool bad guys. |
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Viewed objectively, the G1 toon is actually pretty poor in terms of stories, animation, etc. It did have decent voice acting though, and of course it does now have a huge nostalgia factor. As for success, I guess that the eyecatching characters and innovative toys had a lot to do with it.
However, if you want something more mature than the G1 toon, I'd point you in the direction of the early Budiansky comics (New Order/Return to Cybertron) and the more well known Furman ones (In the National Interest, Wrath of Grimlock/Guardian, Dinobot Hunt, Target 2006), Transformers Beast Wars, and parts of Transformers Animated. These have rather more mature stories and characters than G1 ever did, including hardcore Decepticons.
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The old adage goes ‘you never forget your first’ and that’s certainly true of G1 … it was the line that started it all, a phenomenon that captured the zeitgeist perfectly and hypnotised young boys all over the world. Nostalgia clouds our judgement to be able to give an honest critique.
A rule of thumb I follow is that if the script is by western writers (Marvel G1 Comics, Beast Wars/Machines, TF:A) the stories, characterisations and plot are usually good, if the script is by Japanese writers (Fight! Super Robot Life, Energon, Victory etc) it’s going to be patchy and occasionally at odds with western sensibilities.
I’d echo Swoop’s advice, if you want a bit of grit and maturity in your TF stories revisit the G1 comics, and if you don’t already have them get your hands on some Beast Wars DVDs.
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Transformers needs a desperate overhaul. I'd aim the series at an 8-14 age group, and concentrate on its presentation of genuine war, with a very strong focus on characterisation over gimmickry.
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I can not however see that happening with TF2 tbh Although i pray to God, there will not be an overdose towards Gimmicks aka Toys sales for Hasbro. As for Character developing, lacking something chronic in the first film, this mistake could easily be ironed out in TF2. But what I have been reading of late, Bay has his eyes set on bigger and better Robots, eye catchers ie. Dinobots and Constructicons, this sounds great in theory, but can you imagine much characterisation from these particular Bots? War is never and is not nice full stop, so one would hope that this time round, Bay and his writers will depict it as it should be, without a cheery on top.
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I think the Animated figures have taken a step in that direction already. They're very true to their TV show counterparts in both vehicle mode and robot mode and for the first time since Armada we don't have a series with one overlying gimmick covering all the figures (Minicons, Powerlinx, etc). The toys are also very posable and stylised. However, I do agree with you on the storyline. After the nice bright colours of Animated HasTak could turn their attentions to a much more serious series showing a Transformer war taking place all over the galaxy with humans very much dragged into it. The best concept of the Transformers war I've seen so far is IDW's G1 comic series (Haven't read Devastation yet but the first 3 are all very good). It really emphasises the "Robots in disguise" part of Transformers, characters have had their looks updated whilst remaining true to their original G1 look and the war is also taking place all over the galaxy with Cybertron itself being a broken ruin.
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I think a new show would really need to be character driven. So far these have been the best series (G1, most comics) as for the ''naffin plane'' come on boys, Megatron has never worked as a plane or car but the original G1 megatron from the cartoon series is still by far the most popular megatron character and that is because everything about him worked from his robot mode to his walther alternate mode. When he turned into a hand gun he commanded respect and that’s what he got when he was handled by his subordinates! That’s why he worked so well (Megatron has also worked as a tank in various incarnations as it's still in the in the gun platform realm).
I agree protoform, a proper war would really work and getting back to cybertron.
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The gun mode is Megatron's greatest weakness in modern times. Forget Prime, the Autobots and backstabbing traitors; the true enemy for him is the safety laws and day-glo colours.
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A handgun is a weak for for a Decepticon. Yes, it's an OK disguise but Decepticons tend to go for power over subtlety, the one exception being IDW's comics. Take for example the scene in The Rebirth where Sixshot nearly single-handedly wipes out the Arielbots. The issue is in his final form he has to rely on Cyclonus to use him and that's a definite weakness.
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